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A Hot Dinner

What Is Philosophy? Is it really that difficult?

A Hot Dinner

Postby Derwin » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:22 pm

"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular
representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."
-- Karl Marx
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Re: A Hot Dinner

Postby HarryStottle » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:51 pm

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Postby Derwin » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:57 am

"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular
representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."
-- Karl Marx
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Re: A Hot Dinner

Postby Jesus 2.3 » Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:08 am

I'm back with a new name, but you may not have known me before.
I have many names, Daniel is one of them.
Daniel was a prophet, this one's a mastermind.
In virtual reality i'm Jesus 2.3 - but i am no god!
i'm just an asswhole who knows it all.
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Postby Auburn » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:33 am

Dinner's probably cold by now... but...
I thought I'd drop by anyhow, if it's okay.

Addressing the first post, I don't see how Quantum Physics is at all mutually exclusive with determinism..

There's always the possibility that the meta-context* remains deterministic. Per example, suppose that at the quantum level, there is interaction with other dimensions of space (possibly universes?) and thus particles appear and disappear from one dimension to the other in ways we cannot comprehend because the full picture/context is unavailable to us. Now, assume that the other universes and the meta-context itself is deterministic, but we, individually, cannot determine it because we cannot see what particles are about to enter or leave. From our eyes, it appears like there is no determined ordering to quantum physics because we've no way of determining "what comes next" but if we merely had eyesight into all the dimensions at work, and the totality of reality - we may very well understand that it all does have a determined ordering.

The finds of quantum physics shouldn't lead us to deduce that we invariably cannot know what occurs next. We simply haven't figured out how to understand "what comes next" - but, who knows, maybe at some stage we may be able to learn that as well. ^^


* = {Meta-Context is a word I use for the totality of not only our universe but anything it may be cradled inside of (but not necessarily the Multiverse model); essentially, "Everything", not just what we see from our universe. }
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Postby HarryStottle » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:34 am

I agree with Auburn.

The multiverse is the current best candidate for squaring the Quantum circle. Not even necessary to decide between determinism and randomness/free will. In a multiverse, all possible outcomes are not only possible but inevitable. Everything that can happen, does.
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